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    Counterfeit Gaming Merchandise (Not Dialup Friendly. LOTS of Screenshots).

    Seems that every day we hear about all sorts of game bootlegs, fake DS carts, PC Engine knockoffs, uncommon SNES games that get burnt ROM chips in a Madden shell. We've had a few threads where we've discussed the topic but it might be worthwhile to start a thread that's specific to this issue. It seems to be getting worse every day. In my recent quest to buy a few extra controllers, I've been finding that accessories are one segment of gaming that's being hit hard.

    I'd not really heard about knockoff PS3 controllers until I started browsing Ebay and started seeing some really obvious fakes. Some, however, were not so obvious. Most of the resources on this topic are several years old now, and the bootleggers have actually learned from some of their early mistakes. It's quite possible that even a lot of sellers don't know what they have.

    The best thing to do, if possible, is buy directly from reputable retail stores and only these stores. Sometimes it's not so easy and only third-party sellers on Amazon and Ebay are a valid option.

    My Ebay seller claimed to stand by his controllers 100%, citing that he opens up each batch to verify authenticity. Well, he either lied or doesn't know what to look for in a counterfeit controller, or else was careless with this batch. He refunded me without issue, after I explained what I found. His method of doing this was an order cancellation, which disallows the standard return process. He did ask for me to ship it back. I offered, if he pays return shipping, and he told me to just keep it. Evidently it wasn't worth it to him to resell a (now opened) counterfeit controller after paying two-way shipping. This tells me that he really does know what he has on hand.

    It's disappoint to me that he's had THOUSANDS of sales of this controller and only a small subset of his buyers know that they have fakes.

    Here are some pictures with some explanations of what to look for, as well as a few comparisons with a real Dual Shock 3. I may ultimately open it up to compare the guts with real DualShock 3 controllers: http://www.psdevwiki.com/ps3/DualShock_3


    At first glance, you might be absolutely convinced that this controller is real. After all, it does say on the box that it's official. A common indicator on these boxes is the position of the "Charcoal Black" circle. It's closer to the corner and real official boxes have slightly different blue swirl shapes next to it.




    Pay close attention to the model on the bottom, by the UPC, CECHZC2U This is important:




    Older versions of this bootleg box had typos that were corrected over time,. "Software" was a notable typo according to this video from 2013 ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e91geC3niAc ):




    There are other telltale signs on the box that are detailed in that video. I'll avoid posting them here, but some of the logos and other visual indicators have also improved. Without an original, they are hard for me to detail.


    Text is not quite straight in some places, but it's hard to see in this photo. The SONY logo is angled downward as it progresses from left to right, and the start button is the same.





    In these newer batches of controllers, almost all of the shell moulding is seemingly identical to a real PS3 controller. Older versions had obvious issues with more screws, lower quality plastic work, etc. Not so much now. But look at the offset numbers for the player LEDs.





    The plastic on that analog stick looks about as high quality as Mad Katz circa 1998. In gameplay, the internals of the stick feel less responsive than a real controller, and require much more force to "click" L3 / R3 into place. They just feel really stiff.




    And the real killer here. It's missing an FCC ID and the model number is for a European pad. It should say CECHZC2U and instead says CECHZC2E. Strange that it came in a box for a North American version of the controller. Look at how the label was not centered properly either.




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    Poor quality button silk screens. Note the paint overflow on the circle button:




    Comparisons with the real deal. Authentic controller is always on the top. All text is thinner in the bootleg.




    Label comparison (real on top fake on bottom).




    General comparison of the front (real on top fake on bottom). See player number silkscreens.




    DUALSHOCK 3 and SIXAXIS are closer to the edge on a real controller. Closer to the USB port on a fake (real on top fake on bottom).

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    So how does the fake work? Way better than I would expect but far worse then the real deal. Here are some issues that I encountered:

    1. Analog sticks suck, as I mentioned above. You have to press 2x-3x as hard to get them to click, and they feel mushy. I compared this as well to a BRAND NEW controller in my PS3 box, as I've been just using the DS3 that came with my PS TV. Both official controllers look and feel identical.

    2. Face buttons feel almost normal but the D-Pad has serious issues. I can click left on the D-Pad and it doesn't go left even at the complete bottom of the press unless I apply notable pressure to make it register. Part of this is just the bonehead design of pressure sensitive face buttons on the DS 2 / DS 3 controllers (one of my most hated features) but the real deal is way better than this.

    3. It feels like there is more creaking in this controller when pressure is applied to the sticks, but I won't know until I can open one up to see what's in there. I still have yet to determine if the accelerometer and force feedback actually work. More to come on this.

    Would I buy this controller? No, it's not for a serious player. I especially would not pay the $30 for it that most sellers seem to be asking. It might be worth $10-$20 shipped to players that don't care about the perfection of a real controller. I'd just rather spend the money on the real deal. You probably will not find an official DS3 for less than $40, so just bear that in mind when shopping for one. That said, this is a very usable controller.

    I speculate that this has SOME real parts and it's a hodge podge of parts that the manufacturer could source, some obviously cloned. It looks and feels like they used original molds for the shell and some plastic parts.
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    The dialogue from the seller and the way they handled it leads me to believe they are full of ****.
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    Thanks for posting.
    Does sound like they know they are good knock offs and hoping you're just stupid and fall for it. That seam on the joysticks is messy. Guess I can't just assume one is legit when I find it used.
    Those Tempest quality pics man.
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    Would I pay $30 - $40 for a real Dualchalk? No, it's not for a serious player. Glorious 360-dono or Xbone-dono on the other hand, sign me up .


    The sticker layout on the legit controller is different compared to older Dualchalks. Might just be the bundled one for the Vita TV that has this layout though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by banditwolf View Post
    Thanks for posting.
    Does sound like they know they are good knock offs and hoping you're just stupid and fall for it. That seam on the joysticks is messy. Guess I can't just assume one is legit when I find it used.
    Those Tempest quality pics man.
    When I found out that it was a fake, I knew that I had to act on it. Is this a cold load?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord of Pirates View Post
    Would I pay $30 - $40 for a real Dualchalk? No, it's not for a serious player. Glorious 360-dono or Xbone-dono on the other hand, sign me up .


    The sticker layout on the legit controller is different compared to older Dualchalks. Might just be the bundled one for the Vita TV that has this layout though.
    You know how I feel about the DualShocks. That new XBox 360 controller that I picked up with transforming D-Pad is up there with my favorite controllers of all time. I'm going to buy at least another one.

    I've been reading that there are already fake XBone controllers in the wild as well. In fact, the seller that sells these sells XBone controllers.... Hmm.

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    The fake has one less digit in the serial.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gypsy View Post
    The dialogue from the seller and the way they handled it leads me to believe they are full of ****.
    Of course he knows, that's why he canceled the order so that he can claim that someone never bought from him. He had a few negative feedback posts where people cite that it's a fake and he responds with things like: "NEVER BOUGHT FROM ME". If that was the case, the buyer would not be able to leave feedback.

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    What a dickhead.
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