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    In honor of a great GW forum memeber, I give you Belgium's contribution to gaming.

    http://gametz.com/Console_Marketplac...17874.html#new

    http://i1171.photobucket.com/albums/...ps48463db9.jpg

    Apparently the Phillips CD-I, easily one of the worst machines ever made was assembled in Belgium. I got a good laugh out of this, and thought I should post this for Wiley.

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    I thought this was going to be about the Divinity series, and more specifically about its latest entry Divinity: Original Sin, which has been sitting comfortably in the top 5 of the Steam sales charts for weeks now. Pretty disappointed it wasn't.

    The CD-I is a Philips machine, Philips is a Dutch company. The Belgians only helped them put their mess together, at a fee ofcourse. We made good money on that turd, and had a good laugh at the Dutch afterwards.

    Also, I would say that one of the worst consoles ever made was the Apple Pippin, which was invented, maybe even assembled too (I don't even want to know), in the US of A. :-)
    There are quite a few people who still buy CD-I retro stuff for some reason, so there seem to be a hardcore following. Mostly non-Belgians, or so I've been told. I have never heard of someone actually collecting for Apple Pippin though. Maybe fun, let alone *any*, games for it are just extremely hard to find for some inexplicable reason? :-)

    On a side note: Czech Republic contributions to gaming anyone?

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    I have 2 CDi units, both of them are broken. Pretty sure it is the power brick (made in Portugal) with its incredibly over complex design and totally insane plug (it's a RJ45).

    Anyway, the most valuable part of anything CDi related are normally the controllers, as they typically make up the value of any system bundle you might find. Decent controllers alone are worth at least $50 from the last time I looked.

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    You obviously didn't live in the age of Atari 2600. You'd go to the arcade and play these incredible games using 16 colors and running at a 224x288 resolution (Pac-Man used in this example) and then the 2600 comes along and gives significantly, painfully less than that. Vector-graphics Asteroids or Omega Race looked fantastic. Chunk-o-vision 2600 Asteroids/Omega Race? Eye-bleed. The shovelware ratio was off the charts, even moreso than the Wii, and the only reason there were playable games like Pitfall is due to the console's incredible popularity and the genius of certain programmers learning to trick the system.

    The CD-I was a terrible, terrible machine, but at least it never promised to be anything it wasn't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xelement5x View Post
    I have 2 CDi units, both of them are broken. Pretty sure it is the power brick (made in Portugal) with its incredibly over complex design and totally insane plug (it's a RJ45).

    Anyway, the most valuable part of anything CDi related are normally the controllers, as they typically make up the value of any system bundle you might find. Decent controllers alone are worth at least $50 from the last time I looked.
    Afaik there were many different types of controllers for the CD-I system, but only one of them was actually close to being useful at all. I guess those are the $50 ones. :-)

    I never cared for CD-I, and my father even worked as an engineer at Philips. (Klown, don't get any ideas: he never worked on CD-I. He mostly did some development for HDTV tech back when it wasn't on the market yet.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by JWiley_12 View Post
    I thought this was going to be about the Divinity series, and more specifically about its latest entry Divinity: Original Sin, which has been sitting comfortably in the top 5 of the Steam sales charts for weeks now. Pretty disappointed it wasn't.

    The CD-I is a Philips machine, Philips is a Dutch company. The Belgians only helped them put their mess together, at a fee ofcourse. We made good money on that turd, and had a good laugh at the Dutch afterwards.

    Also, I would say that one of the worst consoles ever made was the Apple Pippin, which was invented, maybe even assembled too (I don't even want to know), in the US of A. :-)
    There are quite a few people who still buy CD-I retro stuff for some reason, so there seem to be a hardcore following. Mostly non-Belgians, or so I've been told. I have never heard of someone actually collecting for Apple Pippin though. Maybe fun, let alone *any*, games for it are just extremely hard to find for some inexplicable reason? :-)

    On a side note: Czech Republic contributions to gaming anyone?
    Bohemia Interactive - makers of Arma and Opertaion Flashpoint series as well as the upcoming Day Z
    Vatra Studio - Silent Hill Downpour
    2k Czech - a subsidiary of 2k games, makers of the Hidden and Dangerous , and Vietcong PC series
    and maybe another 10 or so other gaming studios.

    Other notable Slavic makers :
    - CD Projket Red - Poland
    - Techland - Poland
    - 4A Games - Ukraine
    -GSC Game World - Ukraine

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    Hm... don't care for any of those games, really. Haven't played any of those, and don't plan to either. I encourage you to read up on Divinity: Original Sin though. It's pretty good, and a lot of people seem to think so nowadays.

    Why do you list those other Slavic developers? Do you want me to list all the other Western European developers that are close to Belgium too? :-)

    Like the ones in UK (I can get to London by train in about 1.5h): Epic Games UK, Rockstar North, Rockstar Leeds, SCE Studios London, SCE Studio Cambridge, Traveller's Tales, Criterion, EA UK, Lionhead, Codemasters, Rare, Creative Assembly, Eurocom, Team17, Evolution Studios, Kuju Entertainment, ... those are just the really big ones. List of British indie studios: http://britishindie.com/developers/

    Or the Netherlands: Guerilla Games, Playlogic
    Or France (1h train drive to Paris): Ubisoft Paris and Ubisoft Montpellier, Eden Games
    Or Germany: Crytek, Blue Byte

    Anyway, I will quote the CEO of Belgian Larian Studios on this one: the main reason why game development in Belgium is a bit of a masochistic activity is the following one.

    NyoZ2HW.jpg

    As you can see, Czech Republic is a lot cheaper to produce anything. Which is basically why there is a 2K Czech, and not a 2K Belgium. But since UK is even cheaper than Czech Republic in the tax department, my (incomplete) list of UK game studios is considerably longer than your Czech Republic list. I will quote your former president: "It's the economy, stupid." (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/It%27s_the_economy,_stupid)

    Canada's also notably cheaper for game development, which is why there are so many game studios there, who could've been in the US just as well.

    Edit: the image seems to have been shrunk by the board. Here is the original one: https://twitter.com/LarAtLarian/stat...98131174948866
    Last edited by JWiley_12; 08-08-2014 at 06:55 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JWiley_12 View Post
    Hm... don't care for any of those games, really. Haven't played any of those, and don't plan to either. I encourage you to read up on Divinity: Original Sin though. It's pretty good, and a lot of people seem to think so nowadays.

    Why do you list those other Slavic developers? Do you want me to list all the other Western European developers that are close to Belgium too? :-)

    Like the ones in UK (I can get to London by train in about 1.5h): Epic Games UK, Rockstar North, Rockstar Leeds, SCE Studios London, SCE Studio Cambridge, Traveller's Tales, Criterion, EA UK, Lionhead, Codemasters, Rare, Creative Assembly, Eurocom, Team17, Evolution Studios, Kuju Entertainment, ... those are just the really big ones. List of British indie studios: http://britishindie.com/developers/

    Or the Netherlands: Guerilla Games, Playlogic
    Or France (1h train drive to Paris): Ubisoft Paris and Ubisoft Montpellier, Eden Games
    Or Germany: Crytek, Blue Byte

    Anyway, I will quote the CEO of Belgian Larian Studios on this one: the main reason why game development in Belgium is a bit of a masochistic activity is the following one.

    NyoZ2HW.jpg

    As you can see, Czech Republic is a lot cheaper to produce anything. Which is basically why there is a 2K Czech, and not a 2K Belgium. But since UK is even cheaper than Czech Republic in the tax department, my (incomplete) list of UK game studios is considerably longer than your Czech Republic list. I will quote your former president: "It's the economy, stupid." (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/It%27s_the_economy,_stupid)

    Canada's also notably cheaper for game development, which is why there are so many game studios there, who could've been in the US just as well.

    Edit: the image seems to have been shrunk by the board. Here is the original one: https://twitter.com/LarAtLarian/stat...98131174948866
    As I have pointed out before I am mixed, my grandfather was from Ukraine, and there is Polish and both sides of my family tree as well. Also all 3 are slavic people, ie those are related people, unlike Belgians and the French/English. Belgians are probably related most closely to what, Dutch and Germans?

    Also I have played Divinity, don't care for it as a series, feels second rate to almost any other fantasy series like Dragon Age, Elder Scrolls, Kingdom Under Fire, Witcher etc. I haven't played original sin yet, you know since the studio had to turn to Kickstarter for funding and I did not back it. I will not say anything about your beloved Larian, but a studio only turns to Kickstarter for one reason.

    Also, why are you talking about economics and then posting me a chart that has to do with consequences of having a highly socialist state? That is not an economic decision, its a political and social one. On the other hand Eastern Europe is putting out quality games despite living under pretty miserable conditions for decades while under Soviet rule, not of our choice. People always act like it was US and the West vs the Soviet East, but the majority of countries under the East were miserable and basically forced into that situation, spoils of war given by the Allies to the Soviets for help during WWII.

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